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What have you got to say about the topic of: "SNESA - Pogy Bill Proposed for Narr. Bay". Here's how is started: "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNESA/ I know some you are on the e-mail list for SNESA (RISAA). There has "
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02-16-2007, 11:41 AM
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| SNESA - Pogy Bill Proposed for Narr. Bay http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNESA/ I know some you are on the e-mail list for SNESA (RISAA). There has been a pretty good discussion over there about a proposed bill to ban the pogy boat from the bay. For those who don't know they use a plane to spot the schools and then net them. Very interesting topic and would be nice to see it happen. You may want to take a look. GP |
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02-16-2007, 12:15 PM
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| No, it certainly would not be a good thing to happen, for an awful lot of people. Let me clue some people in to this: RISAA, a large recreational group here in RI, are looking to get the pogie bait boat from ARK, and all other pogie seiners out of RI.( currently no other seiner has access or is fishing these waters)Ark has been supplying RI lobsterman and rec fisherman with fresh pogies for a long time, and anyone out on the water knows that any boat can pull up to them while they are fishing and get a free of charge load of fresh, wriggling pogies. Again, they do this free of charge!! Now the House Bill No. 5165 and Senate Bill No. 0311 currently proposed threatens this. When they first started fishing, Ark Bait fished seven days a week with open access to all areas of the bay. The last several years, Ark Bait has negotiated in good faith with the recreational sector and DEM. They no longer fish weekends or holidays, have agreed to not fish in East Greenwich Bay, can't fish in the Providence River after Aug.15th, (which in the beginning of the agreement was no fishing in the Providence River, but had access to Greenwich Bay, then two years later the recreational people asked it be changed, which Ark Bait did), no fishing south of Prudence Island from the southern tip of the T-warf to the northern tip of Jamestown over to Quonset Point near the airport, from the beginning of the season until Aug. 15th. They have also agreed to take observer in the plane anytime. In short, they have done everything they can to be up front, open, hand honest about the fish harvest, and most importantly they have been responsible. Now let me paste a copy of an email sent to the SNESA and others from the official spotter working with Ark for over 26 years now: My name is Everett Mills I am the spotter pilot who has worked for Ark Bait Co. since the early 80's. In fact I volunteered to monitor the Bay for Trudy Cox in the 80's watching for raw sewage, oil spills or anything I thought Save the Bay should be aware of back then. In my 26 yrs flying over our Bay I've witnessed many changes, I've predicted fish kills resulting from Algae blooms from nutrient rich storm water runoff, I've seen the Bay full of menhaden and I've seen the bay void of menhaden, I've watched fish come and go and have caught many pounds of pogies used by our local lobstermen for bait. But what I have noticed most in the last three years is how clean the Bay is today. Years ago when there was millions of pounds of Menhaden in the Bay the Bay was filthy, I could hardly see bottom in shoal areas around the shorelines. My point John is to address the seemingly renewed interest and need in filter feeders to clean an already clean bay which has been void of a significant amount of Menhaden for the last 10 yrs. I mean I can see the rock northwest of Rat Island in the Sakonnett River, I can see the wreck southwest of Hope Island marked by the red can, and the bottom along the shore where in previous years all I could see was brown water. The bay is cleaner today then I have ever seen it in 26 years. Why, not because of Menhaden, maybe its because Save the Bay is working or maybe its because of the increase in the bay oyster population an excellent filterer in it self, maybe its because of the tightening of septic systems around the bay, but its not because of menhaden. Besides John there's scientific proof that large adult menhaden are poor at filtering zoo and phyto plankton as well as detritus particles , the smaller fish are better because of their fine gill raking ability. The bottom line John is the Bay is cleaner today then I have ever seen it and without the presence of Menhaden. I think John, Save the Bay could better serve the bay preventing storm water runoff and controlling the hot water released by the Brayton Point power plant. That being said if I can be of any assistance to Save the Bay in the future please let me know. Everett Mills This letter points out the main arguement and reasoning behind this push for bills in the state senate and congress of RI; "the pogies clean up the bay" by filtering the water......What a crock These same anglers from RISAA are the first guys lined up at the boat to get there free pogies, and the first guys to bitch and moan when the baitshops don't have fresh pogies for them. I have personally seen many registered and vocal RISAA members at the boat getting pogies, and Ark bait itself has many pictures of these guys in the act of participating in what they call a fish slaughter. There is no real data or scientific research behind the ban, nor has any real world study been done in RI by any qualified organization in regards to the specific fishery and Ark baits role in the fisheries sustainability. To cut them out of the bay would place 9 immediate families in RI out of full time work, another 6 families out of part time work, will absolutely devastate the already troubled lobster fishery by taking away its cheapest, most effective, readily available bait, and will put a hurting on each and every bait and tackle shop that caters to saltwater anglers. Charter captains will now be forced to spend even more money and time procuring their own baits, and the price of pogies on the whole will rise dramatically, putting a hurt on the 9-5 recreational angler who wants to do a bit of bait dunking on a friday afternoon in June. I really don't think anyone who is on the side of RISAA and pushing for the ban has stopped to figure out what it will accomplish or who it will effect. The fact remains that menhaden are harvested in huge amounts elsewhere, and in 2007 it was determined that Menhaden stocks were not depleted, and NOT being overfished. The majority of Pogies harvested annually end up as fish oil or in perfume, while the ARK boat ONLY fishes for bait. I myself have written a individual letter to every state rep and congressman in RI, in support of ARK bait and against the move to ban pogie seining in the Bay.
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02-16-2007, 12:26 PM
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| Open letter from ARK Bait Co. Over the years Ark Bait has always negotiated in good faith and has fully cooperated with the sports fishermen and as a result, Ark Bait compromised by losing prime fishing areas in the Bay. A few years ago, the sports fishermen wanted the big reduction boats out of the Bay, now they want Ark Bait out. Again in 1999, we compromised and agreed to further closures in the bay. Last year, 2006, we agreed with RISAA to have an observer go in our airplane to get estimates of the quantity of fish in the bay, as well as estimates of the quantity when we left the bay. At the same time this agreement was being set up, May 10, 2006, John Torgan from Save the Bay, was expressing his opinions and judgments about getting the menhaden seiner out of the Bay. RISAA and Save the Bay are now using the premise that the menhaden will clean up the Bay because they are filter feeders. This is not the case. Ark Bait does not fish on the smaller peanut bunkers that are the best filter feeders and not the larger adult menhaden. This has been testified by Kevin Friedland, Director of UMASS/NOAA COOPERATIVE MARINE EDUCATION AND RESEARCH PROGRAM BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON FISHERIES CONSERVATION, WILDLIFE AND OCEANS in the US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES According to the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, which updated its stock status and management considerations in January, 2007, the Atlantic menhaden is not over fished and over fishing is not occurring on a coast wide basis. The ASMFC sets and implements the standards and requirements with biological, scientific and user group data and information. Ark Bait prides itself in complying with all federal and state laws regarding reporting, safety and conservation. Yet, all of the parameters that are currently in place would be discounted and ignored for a specific interest group. Quahogs, clams, mussels, oysters and scallops are also filter feeders. Will this industry that is also vital to the economy of Rhode Island be next? Fish kills have occurred in the Bay as a result of the deplorable conditions of our Bays water. We are all aware of the pollution that is the cause of the conditions in the Bay. Stopping the seining of menhaden is not going to stop this. There are over fifteen families, full and part time, that rely on Ark Bait for their livelihood, as well as hundreds of honest, hardworking, year round lobster fishermen who depend on this source of bait to earn their living. Passage of this bill will also have a spiraling effect that will hurt the livelihood of others that provide services to the lobster industry, such as fuel, insurance, restaurants, markets, marinas and the list goes on. The Rhode Island Lobster Association, Ocean State Fishermen?s Association, Tiverton Rod and Gun Club, various Charter Boat Captains, individual Commercial Rod and Reelers, bait shops, shore fishermen and individual sports fishermen, with no club affiliation, support our efforts. Thank you, Ark Bait Co. 141 Ocean Grove Ave. Swansea, MA 02777 508-678-4161
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02-16-2007, 12:31 PM
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| Anyone looking for a complete list of RI reps and senators emails please contact me, I will be happy to oblige.
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02-17-2007, 10:25 AM
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02-17-2007, 05:11 PM
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| I am not really well informed on this issue other than what I have read on the web about it, but I find it hard to believe that Ark Bait relies solely on the access to Narr. Bay for its long-term viability. I think they could survive just the same outside the bay. They would have to go outside the bay, though. Doesn't the boat move to other locations as the pogies move on? I come out of Allen's Harbor and have never personally seen the boat fishing. I have never gotten free bait from them either. I wonder why they take pictures of giving free bait away and if they would be giving this valuable resource away for free if they weren't taking pictures of everyone taking it. Maybe it serves them nicely to have pictures of them giving away free bait. I snag my own bait when it is available or use other bait if not available. I would never take the free bait to allow Ark to build their case for continuing in the bay. My opinion is that inside the bay should be rod/reel only for fin fish. Just my opinion. GP |
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02-17-2007, 06:27 PM
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| Hey GP, I know I am sort of in the minority here on this issue, especially when I see the comments on other websites. To answer your question, they do move off to NJ after the spring season, but they are still based here. The amount of money they make on the local fishery is two to three times what they make elsewhere. There are no freight costs, and the proximity of the supply to the demand yields maximum profit. They spend waay more down in NJ, and then have to truck it up here for distribution. Most of the bait shops run out of fresh pogies a few days after the trucks unload, and the supply is no where near as steady. Couple in the refrigeration costs and other things, and it would not be a stretch to know they would move the business elsewhere if these bills pass, thus killing another local business. My real problem with this whole move is that is is not based in any scientific research unique to Narry bay and its population of pogies. Not only that, it is not providing any real solution to the intended outcome, which is claimed to be that of the stripers and pogies well being. No studies have been done as to the particular sciences and environmental issues at play with RIs Bay and the pogies that visit each year. I would never want to see any fishery closed to special interests groups without adequate study and comment. These back door propaganda pushes just don't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy to begin with, never mind when they affect friends of mine; the lobsterman. This would open the door for further bans and restrictions everytime a special interest group gets its panties in a bunch. The excuses and reasons being cited by the guys on other chats are absolutely amazing to me. Not only that, but the pogies may not even be able to survive the conditions present today in huge numbers like that..... I love the comment that the boat scoops up all the pogies and the striper guys are worse off for it. Where do you think these pogies go? They are only sold as BAIT. So instead of the pogies being bought at the baitshop being local and supporting a local industry, they buy the pogies seined by the very same boat, in another body of water. I have even heard the rumor that they scoop up tons of stripers, and then dump them dead over the side. I have been there on a daily basis when large 40 plus pound fish are gently lowered over the side, long before the hopper chute gets turned on. They are very responsible. You should hear the whining going on by some"rec" fisherman begging to be given the bass, offering large sums of cash to the guys on the boat. They are turned down everytime, without fail. These guys talk about historical levels of pogies, then cite the period in the 80s as their examples. We all know the Striper was in major trouble, and could be why there were so many pogies around. These same guys ignore the fact that at that same time the Ark boat was fishing seven days a week in the entire Bay. That's right, during this so called time of pogie abundance, they were harvesting pogies in the same manner they do it today. The plane goes up, spots the schools, and nets the fish, all for BAIT. You want a sensible ban, ban all pogie harvest, not just banning one company who provides a major service to the recreational and commercial fishing sectors. These pogies do not spend their entire lives in the upper Bay, folks. I personally followed a MASSIVE school out of the Sakkonnet in 2006, a week before the Ark boat finished up and left for NJ.....The only thing this fish grab will accomplish is shiutting a local business down for no reason. It will not protect one single Pogie that does not decide to live out its life in the protection of the Upper bay. Jan. 2007 NOAA declared Menhaden stocks to be not overfished, and in healthy status. Where is the science the SNESA guys got there claims from??? I believe it was data gathjered by one guy in the Chesapeake. It certainly was not a study particular to Narry bay. The pictures are taken of the guys collecting free fish are taken because it is these same fisherman who are now screaming to BAN the POGIE boat. The heads of RISAA and other vocal proponents of this fish grab attempt will be called out if this goes to the floor for a vote, as many of these guys are going to look pretty foolish when push comes to shove and their boats and faces are displayed for all to see as hippocrites.....Thats why they take the pictures, not to pat themselves on the back or gain support. I can tell you this, lots more debate and chatter and anger is coming if this ever makes it to the floor...... The reason you don't ever see the boat fishing is because they voluntarily agreed to not fish south of Prudence T-wharf, over to Quonset, and south. You wouldn't ever come across them near Allens Harbor. That area, when they show up at all in the Bay, is always loaded with pogies in the spring, up through wickford and quonset..... You state that you will snag your own, or use other bait. Either way, you are harvesting the very same bait you are trying to protect. Where does this "other" bait come from, and how is it harvested? You use eels?... The reasoning sounds to me like its okay for you and others to snag or net your own, but not the guy trying to make a living at it.... But the worst part is that all these guys will still be using pogies as bait. Seems pretty ridiculous when you look at it that way. THey would have no reason to be seining pogies at all for BAIT, if there were nobody buying that bait. According to Ark, alot more of the fish they catch locally are sold to baitshops and anglers than to lobsterman.... I appreciate the fact that every one is entitled to their own opinion, but I must say it appals me that so many people just jump on causes without researching what they are about. People spout factless and baseless arguements and others read and take it to heart. The amount of misinformation and outright lies when these fish grabs take place is just sickening to me....... If history is an indicator, the commercail interests will win out over the recreational interests, anyway, but I would be happy if it never even made it out of committee to the floor vote..... Sorry for the rant. And GP, I didn't mean to sound as if I was attacking you, I certainly wasn't. I get a bit carried away by my passion sometimes....
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02-17-2007, 10:13 PM
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| Been reading this thread with interest..... But to digress a minute..... George, that signature is funny as chit.....Jim see it yet? LOL Anyway...back to the discussion.... Hey, it's all healthy, and nothing wrong with passion...... Without good discussion like this, we learn nothing 
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