f$*&# ed up striper fishing>>>>

ARCTEKJim · 02-05-2008, 11:05 AM

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YouTube - Outer Banks Beach Fishing

Scup · 02-05-2008, 11:43 AM

I know they did the exact same thing at Montauk Long Island in the fifties and sixties but I thought that this practice was stopped years ago. What your clip did not show is the aluminum skiff they used to place the seine out there with. One end is attached to the truck (or a winch in the truck) the the rest goes into the boat. They then head straight out and try to circle a large school of bass (which they obviously did) and finally bring the remaining end of the seine back to the beach. Now they have both ends of the seine on the beach with the bass trapped. They then use truck power to haul the seine in. It is a very simple technique but has worked well for landing large quantities of fish quickly. I have no idea of what the commercial size limits are down there, but there is no way anyone is going to untangle that mess quickly enough to free shorts before they die even if they did have a size limit. Too bad, it was practices like this that did the bass in during the eighties. Makes one wonder what the hell our regulators have in their heads for allowing such a wasteful and indiscriminate methods to continue. Most of the states up here (not CT) allow very restrictive catches to be made and the fish have to be tagged that they were not caught in CT waters to be sold here. You cannot sell bass caught in CT waters, but you can sell bass here that were caught elsewhere. Very disturbing film clip.

scurtis · 02-05-2008, 04:13 PM

I just dont understand how the NMFS can allow that type of harvest for a species that doesnt respect the same boundry lines our states and regulations do. When will they implement the appropriate regs to address the migratory patterns of fish. I worked the Hudson for a while catching and tagging stripers (and alot of other fish) and have actually caught one of those fish in Plymouth, MA (not one that I actually tagged). If we know, which we do, that these fish can travel hundresd if not thousands of miles why not implement regs that stretch across those line. Until we do we will always have to wonder if we're going to experience what we did in the 80's. That video just completely changed my mind about Sportfish Status for the Striped Bass. I know how we catch em on the Cape and SE Mass and it aint like that. That is an absolute travesty. For all of you who believe the striper needs to be listed as a "Sport fish" thats the video you need to send to everyone out there. That will get the attention thats needed for sure. Good post.... disturbing video!!!

SC

On Course · 02-05-2008, 06:30 PM

That is a tuff one to watch!!!

pescadorzih · 02-05-2008, 09:49 PM

That is f###ed up.

fishcounterbob · 02-06-2008, 10:23 AM

That is almost as disturbing as the cover foto on The Nationmal Fisherman back in the early 70's. It showed the THOUSANDS of 16-24 '' on the beach on Long Island left to rot. Most of these fish were never able to spawn before they were harvested. If we allow all species to at least spawn once we would be in alot better shape.
No more nets guys. Just go observe a commercial bass fisherman. The old heave and haul is still the best method. They catch thier weight with the least impact on the environment. If the commercial fishing for bass is continued, let it be on a hook only.

Pt.Jude Joe · 02-06-2008, 10:35 AM

Here is a reply to a letter written about this to the NC environment people :

I got this message from the NCDFM:
Dear Mr. Schlesinger:

Thank you for your e-mail. The footage on the Youtube video appears
to be the commercial striped bass beach seine fishery that was opened
on Jan. 8, 9 and 10 and primarily takes place in Dare and Currituck
counties and yes, it is legal. Each beach seine operation is allowed
to keep 50 striped bass per day. The entire commercial striped bass
ocean quota is 480,480 pounds per year, divided by the beach seine,
gill net and trawl fisheries. This quota is set by the Atlantic
States Marine Fisheries Commission. The level of the quota is set to
allow the fishery to be sustainable

The recreational season in the ocean for striped bass is year round,
and anglers are allowed 2 fish per day at a 28" minimum. In 2006,
recreational fishermen landed approximately 2,112,024 pounds of
striped bass from the ocean.

As you can see, both user groups have an impact on the fishery, but as
I said earlier, harvest levels and methods are managed so the stock
will be sustainable.

Sincerely,
Nancy Fish

boatpete · 02-06-2008, 10:51 PM

Very disturbing video. We all have to work to catch fish, not just be there with a net! Why not just drop dynomite in the water and kill/harvest everything. Its about the same result.

Scup · 02-07-2008, 02:29 AM

I used to fish commercially in New York back in the sixties. Rod and reel only! There was no creel limit for anyone back then, commercial or recreational. There was a 16 inch size limit. I believe you when you stated that thousands of fish were left to rot on the beaches of Long Island since that was the way it was done with seine haulers. Their nets could be a mile long. I was just wondering why they would leave fish, that could be legally sold, to rot on the beach. Maybe things were far worse than I can imagine. Perhaps since the larger bass would have brought a few cents more per pound, and they exceeded what their trucks could hold if they took everything, so they simply might have gleaned all of the biggest fish until they could not put any more on their trucks and left. Another problem I have with the film clip is not only are the shorts likely to die because of the time element in cleaning up the mess created and getting them back to the water (I doubt that they would even bother), but once a fish gets dragged any distance over sand, there has to be sand trapped in its gills and that would likely make its recovery questionable at best. Too bad that film clip did not show what was remained after the seine haulers had left the scene. The only argument I can see in the defense of the commercial sector is if they would claim nothing was wasted (which I do not believe for one second). Should every fish caught had been logged in, shorts returned safely to the sea, and everything kept would eventually be sold to the public, then there is an argument that the means could justify the end. What probably happened is, they gleaned the shorts out and dumped them into the ocean with little chance of recovery assuming they just did not leave them on the beach to rot. There is something that just has to rub any fisherman, commercial or recreational, the wrong way when we see that. I played that film clip as least ten times, and it still gets me sick. Those regulators responsible for allowing this to happen should be made to watch these operations up close, so they can see what damage their foolishness is incurring. And if they still think it is fine, then tar and feather them!

fishcounterbob · 02-07-2008, 08:41 AM

Even at 50 fish per man watching the video, I am certain tho video does not encompass the whole ugly truth. A huge waste of fish is guarenteed. If you sand off the slime and throw them back they will die from illness and stress.
It's just another tradition which must come to an end. Hooks only, please!

02-05-2008, 11:43 AM	#2
Scup NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stonington Posts: 384	Seine Haullers I know they did the exact same thing at Montauk Long Island in the fifties and sixties but I thought that this practice was stopped years ago. What your clip did not show is the aluminum skiff they used to place the seine out there with. One end is attached to the truck (or a winch in the truck) the the rest goes into the boat. They then head straight out and try to circle a large school of bass (which they obviously did) and finally bring the remaining end of the seine back to the beach. Now they have both ends of the seine on the beach with the bass trapped. They then use truck power to haul the seine in. It is a very simple technique but has worked well for landing large quantities of fish quickly. I have no idea of what the commercial size limits are down there, but there is no way anyone is going to untangle that mess quickly enough to free shorts before they die even if they did have a size limit. Too bad, it was practices like this that did the bass in during the eighties. Makes one wonder what the hell our regulators have in their heads for allowing such a wasteful and indiscriminate methods to continue. Most of the states up here (not CT) allow very restrictive catches to be made and the fish have to be tagged that they were not caught in CT waters to be sold here. You cannot sell bass caught in CT waters, but you can sell bass here that were caught elsewhere. Very disturbing film clip.

02-05-2008, 06:30 PM	#4
On Course NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Va Beach Posts: 20	That is a tuff one to watch!!! __________________ On Course Custom Charters

02-06-2008, 10:35 AM	#7
Pt.Jude Joe NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 71	Here is a reply to a letter written about this to the NC environment people : I got this message from the NCDFM: Dear Mr. Schlesinger: Thank you for your e-mail. The footage on the Youtube video appears to be the commercial striped bass beach seine fishery that was opened on Jan. 8, 9 and 10 and primarily takes place in Dare and Currituck counties and yes, it is legal. Each beach seine operation is allowed to keep 50 striped bass per day. The entire commercial striped bass ocean quota is 480,480 pounds per year, divided by the beach seine, gill net and trawl fisheries. This quota is set by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission. The level of the quota is set to allow the fishery to be sustainable The recreational season in the ocean for striped bass is year round, and anglers are allowed 2 fish per day at a 28" minimum. In 2006, recreational fishermen landed approximately 2,112,024 pounds of striped bass from the ocean. As you can see, both user groups have an impact on the fishery, but as I said earlier, harvest levels and methods are managed so the stock will be sustainable. Sincerely, Nancy Fish __________________ www.pointjudelures.com

02-06-2008, 10:51 PM	#8
boatpete NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milford, Ct. Posts: 3	seine netting stripers Very disturbing video. We all have to work to catch fish, not just be there with a net! Why not just drop dynomite in the water and kill/harvest everything. Its about the same result.

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02-05-2008, 04:13 PM	#3
scurtis NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Plymouth, MA Posts: 39	I just dont understand how the NMFS can allow that type of harvest for a species that doesnt respect the same boundry lines our states and regulations do. When will they implement the appropriate regs to address the migratory patterns of fish. I worked the Hudson for a while catching and tagging stripers (and alot of other fish) and have actually caught one of those fish in Plymouth, MA (not one that I actually tagged). If we know, which we do, that these fish can travel hundresd if not thousands of miles why not implement regs that stretch across those line. Until we do we will always have to wonder if we're going to experience what we did in the 80's. That video just completely changed my mind about Sportfish Status for the Striped Bass. I know how we catch em on the Cape and SE Mass and it aint like that. That is an absolute travesty. For all of you who believe the striper needs to be listed as a "Sport fish" thats the video you need to send to everyone out there. That will get the attention thats needed for sure. Good post.... disturbing video!!! SC

02-05-2008, 09:49 PM	#5
pescadorzih NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 13	That is f###ed up.

02-06-2008, 10:23 AM	#6
fishcounterbob NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: northford,ct Posts: 89	That is almost as disturbing as the cover foto on The Nationmal Fisherman back in the early 70's. It showed the THOUSANDS of 16-24 '' on the beach on Long Island left to rot. Most of these fish were never able to spawn before they were harvested. If we allow all species to at least spawn once we would be in alot better shape. No more nets guys. Just go observe a commercial bass fisherman. The old heave and haul is still the best method. They catch thier weight with the least impact on the environment. If the commercial fishing for bass is continued, let it be on a hook only.

02-07-2008, 02:29 AM	#9
Scup NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stonington Posts: 384	I used to fish commercially in New York back in the sixties. Rod and reel only! There was no creel limit for anyone back then, commercial or recreational. There was a 16 inch size limit. I believe you when you stated that thousands of fish were left to rot on the beaches of Long Island since that was the way it was done with seine haulers. Their nets could be a mile long. I was just wondering why they would leave fish, that could be legally sold, to rot on the beach. Maybe things were far worse than I can imagine. Perhaps since the larger bass would have brought a few cents more per pound, and they exceeded what their trucks could hold if they took everything, so they simply might have gleaned all of the biggest fish until they could not put any more on their trucks and left. Another problem I have with the film clip is not only are the shorts likely to die because of the time element in cleaning up the mess created and getting them back to the water (I doubt that they would even bother), but once a fish gets dragged any distance over sand, there has to be sand trapped in its gills and that would likely make its recovery questionable at best. Too bad that film clip did not show what was remained after the seine haulers had left the scene. The only argument I can see in the defense of the commercial sector is if they would claim nothing was wasted (which I do not believe for one second). Should every fish caught had been logged in, shorts returned safely to the sea, and everything kept would eventually be sold to the public, then there is an argument that the means could justify the end. What probably happened is, they gleaned the shorts out and dumped them into the ocean with little chance of recovery assuming they just did not leave them on the beach to rot. There is something that just has to rub any fisherman, commercial or recreational, the wrong way when we see that. I played that film clip as least ten times, and it still gets me sick. Those regulators responsible for allowing this to happen should be made to watch these operations up close, so they can see what damage their foolishness is incurring. And if they still think it is fine, then tar and feather them!

02-07-2008, 08:41 AM	#10
fishcounterbob NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: northford,ct Posts: 89	Even at 50 fish per man watching the video, I am certain tho video does not encompass the whole ugly truth. A huge waste of fish is guarenteed. If you sand off the slime and throw them back they will die from illness and stress. It's just another tradition which must come to an end. Hooks only, please!