frank5465

ok i have had it with My Boat and the Ethanol crap heres why i launched from State ramp in Guilford/Madison get out into the channel doing 6mph (no Wake zone) and when i get out of the channel to head for Faulkners 6mph is my Top FN Speed!!!!!!, heres the worst part i changed my plugs and added a Fin onto motor cause my last trip in Point Judith i had a top speed of 14mph and then when2 guys sat in Front we got to 22mph !!! so i thought maybe it was the Plugs or i needed the Fin on the Motor (didnt want to spring for TrimTabs) i also changed my Fuel separator too, nowmy Fn boat is doing 6mph, in Nuetral it revs up to 6000rpm without any issues, so i remove fuel separator and empty the Bowl the Gas apears like a miky like color, i turn the freakin Boat around, come Home and wash it down flsuh the Motor and dropped it off at Suburban Marine (they rebuilt carbs and changed Impeller in Feb) anyway i tell him my story and he CALMLY says Oh yea it sounds like you got water in the Gas!!!, i said Dude i use Fn Startron and the Stabil Marine additive like Clockwork and he says " Startorn ONLY, Never use Stabil even if it says for Marine use daily that only adds to your Ethanol problem!!" I said AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH are you freakin Kidding me S*B,MotherF##kIn c**ks**king Baoterworld employees recommened this Sh*T, well im hoping this is The Problem and hopefully they can Fix it by Late August early September, anyone else have had this happen ? im at my wits end!!!! FYI the Guy at Suburban said if i had a Blown Cylinder and put my Motor in Neutral it would still rev up the RPM's cause there is NO Resistance!!!, so the Bad fuel will still run the Motor that didnt make sense to me but im NOT a Mechanic

ReelCrazySportfishing

There is a product out there called K100. the stuff works great

Give it a try

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Keep us informed as to your final outcome! I sell Startron to help boaters combat the crappy fuel we now have to buy, but only have the manufacturers recommendation that it works. It might be great stuff, but I would never completely believe the claims made by the manufacturer unless there was a secondary and independent source to back up what was claimed. Feedback from someone like you is far more believable than fluff put out by someone who makes the stuff. I wish Consumer Reports would do an independent writeup on the many additive products out there that are claimed to be so great. Usually when one sees a white like substance in their fuel it is caused by water and oil somehow getting together. I mixed gasoline and water in a clear container and could see the water settling out on the bottom, however, there was not any white in it. On the other hand, if you change your lower unit oil, and see white, that is a sure sign that water is getting into the lower unit. If you have a two cycle engine, then you will have oil in your mix either by injection or by directly adding it to your fuel. Hope your problem turns out to be a minor one.

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In the winter months from Dec.-April. i use just gas stable for marine use and in 4 years have not had a problem with fuel yet. I do leave my fuel tank about 1/8-1/4 gas in it then top it of in the spring. This way i figure if the fuel is going to separate the new fuel will mix and then i change my filters a couple of times during the summer months.

Why have(if the fuel is going to separate)all that fuel go to waste. The other thing is make sure your tank vent is not any where near the water,you could take in moisture if this is the case. A buddy of mine had that problem on a key west, the vent was to close to the water line so he moved it near the gunnel and hasn't had a problem with water since. Good luck!

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The experts seemed to have changed their mind about how one should go about laying up your boat up for the season. They used to recommend you should add stabilizer to your tank and then top your tanks off with gasoline. Now they recommend to get rid of any fuel you have left over when the season ends. Not completely sure why they changed their minds but I would guess it has something to do with the poor quality of gasoline that is currently available. Even with stabilizer in it, it will likely break down before you are able to get your boat back in service. Since I run small outboards with portable tanks, it is relatively easy to siphon a few gallons of gasoline into the gas tank of my car. I think I believe the experts as todays gasoline is really garbage compared to what we had just a few years ago.

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PJ is right on K-100 all the way!!!

Captrlbagwell

K100 desiel is what I use for my desiel and am vey happy with it. They sell one product if thigs are bad.

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Bob & Mag

What is k100 supposed to do?
Is it like ezorb and supposed to get rid of water, prevent seperation or what?

Frank, I hope you get this problem straightened out. It's not like you're not trying.
Good Luck!

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I never heard of K100 so I went to its web site to read about it. Without a doubt, I am totally confused as to what is going on with with these ethanol fuels. Everybody seems to have his own way of proceeding to protect themselves and all cannot be right. Warning bells went off in my head when I read the K100 fluff/claims as it seems to be Gods gift to humanity to rid us of all evils from ethanol. It read exactly like the snake oil claims that still abound in the auto supply market. The following are the only things I fairly sure of:
1. Since ethanol fuels made their appearance all hell broke loose in the boating community.
2. Our law makers decided that Methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE) posed a health hazard should it leak into the ground water hence without consulting the marine community, many states have now replaced this additive (cleaner burning and raises octane) with ethanol (supposedly safer as it is a relative of corn alcohol.)
3. Ethanol is a solvent and therefore it can be consider a cleaning agent. It is powerful enough to dissolved most resins used in the manufacture of fiberglass products including built-in gasoline tanks (not a good thing.)
4. Motorists have informed me that even on land this fuel can and has caused problems. For example, MTBE and ethanol fuels should not be mixed. The problems happened when one decides to top off his automobile tank after arriving in a state that has the opposite of what is in his tank. They tell me a sludge is formed so its best to try and empty your tank as much as possible before topping it off.
5. "Drygas", which is an additive which we have been using for years to take care of condensation (water) in our car tanks uses "ethanol" as its principle ingredient.
6. Oil and water can be mixed. It is called an emulsion for which butter is a prime example.
7. Boaters have been having a big headache with emulsions forming in their fuel systems since ethanol fuels have made their appearance.
8. Everyone seems to agree that a fuel water filter/separator (no larger than 10 microns) is now mandatory.

Some of the questions that now bother me are:
1. Ethanol is a solvent so why is additional cleaning needed as proposed by various manufacturers of shall I say "snake oils".
2. Since ethanol is essentially a "drygas" additive why is there so much of a problem with water getting into one's tank when ethanol fuels are used?
3. Why didn't our law makers consult with the marine community before passing laws that can affect the safe operation of marine craft.
4. When I hear there are dozens of products out there for which each manufacturer claims his product is the greatest for solving our ethanol woes, this tells me that there is no single good solution to the problem. If there was, all the others would fall by the wayside.

I am sure that the engineers and manufacturers have the above answers but I reached the point that I no longer believe anything they say!

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Bob & Mag

the reason I question this product as well as startron, stabil, ezorb etc etc etc, is I always hear they work great. Unless you perform a test with and without how can anyone tell if these things actually are doing anything. I've seen the pix of seperated ethanol and then ezorb gets dumped into it and voila no more water. At least it's in particles small enough that you can't see.
Since ethanol, I've wintered with startron one season, ezorb one season and stabil one season. I noticed no problems with or without either.
I wonder if all these products are snake oil. I've not had any problems and can't attribute it to any products as I've used them and not used them with same results.

Note: Your mileage may vary.

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