Rhode Island Tog Regs - Page 2

ckonkol · 02-21-2008, 05:20 PM

I spoke with Nick Blount last night and he said it is looking like 7fish no closed season at 20inches. Doesn't sound too bad. I can deal with 8 fish, I can't even get 10 keeper togs. I think all states should up the size limit to 16inches on the blackfish since they don't reach sexual maturity until they reach 13inches. This way the fish get a chance to spawn a few times before they are of legal size. For the record a 16inch fish is approx. 6 years old and can produce up to 30,000eggs a year.

CaptDom · 02-21-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ckonkol

I spoke with Nick Blount last night and he said it is looking like 7fish no closed season at 20inches. Doesn't sound too bad. I can deal with 8 fish, I can't even get 10 keeper togs. I think all states should up the size limit to 16inches on the blackfish since they don't reach sexual maturity until they reach 13inches. This way the fish get a chance to spawn a few times before they are of legal size. For the record a 16inch fish is approx. 6 years old and can produce up to 30,000eggs a year.

I see you too have been mezmerized by the mystical toggie, Chris. The entire Wrasse family is very slow growing, the Bergall population is in big trouble right now as well.

Moving to 17 inch size limit would give the spawners several good chances to repopulate this hard fighting, incredible tasting fish, and the stocks a chance to rebound. The ridicuolous 14 inch limit in NY is unreal, but I feel that a 17 inch limit would give a better chance than the current 16...Most of my trips, the average keeper is 18-20 inches long, with a few pushing 25 inches every year.

BTW, is your dad on this site? If not, why not sign him or Eben up and get in that free tog charter I'm offering? The response has been pretty dismal thus far......

I am in shock that the fluke regs are staying at 7 fish, 20 inches, but have no issues, as that biomass is in great shape, and the numbers they are looking for are so out of whack.

ckonkol · 02-21-2008, 06:21 PM

Yeah Dom you are right I ended up doing a final project in Marine Bio on the Blackfish. No my dad or Eben aren't members yet but I'll see if I can change that. Eben you would never know since he would sign up and never post just read. To be honest it doesn't matter what the regs are because you still are going to get that group of people that will continue to either take short fish or keep over their limits until they get caught even that might not change their minds. I do agree with you on the shutting down cod fishing for like 3 years, It would do wonders for the population.

Bob & Mag · 02-21-2008, 07:06 PM

At last year's tog regs. meeting in Connecticut (DEP), we brought up raising the limit to 16" from 14". They wouldn't even discuss it and were set in how they were going to lower the quota by adjusting the season/seasons.
I was quite amazed that they would not even entertain another idea. Seems, sometimes, these meetings are held because legally they have to have a public meeting and really don't care what we think.

I read, on NY DEC site, that their limit will be in line with CT this year at 4 fish@14". Soon I think all regs will be regionalized if not coastal.

74Formula233 · 02-22-2008, 12:38 PM

People are feeling the crunch this year. Both in stricter fishing regs, and expenses of boating.

Look at where we are STARTING this year with fuel prices......and look back at the last 18 months. Last year was the breaking point for many people, this year will hit another level of boaters. Many marinas have, for the first time in a LONG time, NO waiting list, or very short ones. Not good.

Look at the chart in this link for an example of the fuel price trend over the last 18 months (NH data, but close enough):

http://www.nh.gov/oep/programs/energ...PriceTrend.pdf

Now, further restrict Rec guys' fishing regs, and you'll hit yet ANOTHER level of people who will start to get out of boating.

It will have a significant effect on a local economy that depends so much on the boating/fishing industry.

Bob & Mag · 02-22-2008, 12:51 PM

You're correct! Last two years we've seen more open slips at our dock and never did fill all of them up. It is the dock for smaller, up to 22' boats, the larger boat slips are full but most seem to be used as floating cottages and rarely untie. The stricter regs will make some look for other forms of fun, and I'm sure that is one of the regs designs. There may be fewer, one guy in a boat, trips now. Last couple seasons I've teamed up with some guys and we alternate whose boat we take, plus we bought a boat/motor that sips gas and that is a huge help.
Will be an interesting season this year.

AlloyToy · 02-22-2008, 02:01 PM

In the mean time marina's insurance has gone through the roof, permits etc... to have fuel near the water are up. This will have to get passed on to the customer in some way, shape or form...........Man!!!!! Not like it was 20 years ago........plus

02-21-2008, 07:06 PM	#14
Bob & Mag User Gallery Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Clinton, CT Posts: 2,679	At last year's tog regs. meeting in Connecticut (DEP), we brought up raising the limit to 16" from 14". They wouldn't even discuss it and were set in how they were going to lower the quota by adjusting the season/seasons. I was quite amazed that they would not even entertain another idea. Seems, sometimes, these meetings are held because legally they have to have a public meeting and really don't care what we think. I read, on NY DEC site, that their limit will be in line with CT this year at 4 fish@14". Soon I think all regs will be regionalized if not coastal. __________________ Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of food, electricity, gas, and oil, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. Smoke free 4 Months!

02-22-2008, 12:38 PM	#15
74Formula233 User Gallery Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Exeter, Rhode Island Posts: 3,324	People are feeling the crunch this year. Both in stricter fishing regs, and expenses of boating. Look at where we are STARTING this year with fuel prices......and look back at the last 18 months. Last year was the breaking point for many people, this year will hit another level of boaters. Many marinas have, for the first time in a LONG time, NO waiting list, or very short ones. Not good. Look at the chart in this link for an example of the fuel price trend over the last 18 months (NH data, but close enough): http://www.nh.gov/oep/programs/energ...PriceTrend.pdf Now, further restrict Rec guys' fishing regs, and you'll hit yet ANOTHER level of people who will start to get out of boating. It will have a significant effect on a local economy that depends so much on the boating/fishing industry. __________________

02-22-2008, 12:51 PM	#16
Bob & Mag User Gallery Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Clinton, CT Posts: 2,679	You're correct! Last two years we've seen more open slips at our dock and never did fill all of them up. It is the dock for smaller, up to 22' boats, the larger boat slips are full but most seem to be used as floating cottages and rarely untie. The stricter regs will make some look for other forms of fun, and I'm sure that is one of the regs designs. There may be fewer, one guy in a boat, trips now. Last couple seasons I've teamed up with some guys and we alternate whose boat we take, plus we bought a boat/motor that sips gas and that is a huge help. Will be an interesting season this year. __________________ Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of food, electricity, gas, and oil, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. Smoke free 4 Months!

02-22-2008, 02:01 PM	#17
AlloyToy NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pt. Judith/Green Harbor/W.Mass Posts: 712	In the mean time marina's insurance has gone through the roof, permits etc... to have fuel near the water are up. This will have to get passed on to the customer in some way, shape or form...........Man!!!!! Not like it was 20 years ago........plus __________________ "First The Bite Then The Fight"

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02-21-2008, 05:20 PM	#11
ckonkol NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Windsor NY Posts: 168	I spoke with Nick Blount last night and he said it is looking like 7fish no closed season at 20inches. Doesn't sound too bad. I can deal with 8 fish, I can't even get 10 keeper togs. I think all states should up the size limit to 16inches on the blackfish since they don't reach sexual maturity until they reach 13inches. This way the fish get a chance to spawn a few times before they are of legal size. For the record a 16inch fish is approx. 6 years old and can produce up to 30,000eggs a year.

02-21-2008, 06:21 PM	#13
ckonkol NBS Member User Gallery Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Windsor NY Posts: 168	Yeah Dom you are right I ended up doing a final project in Marine Bio on the Blackfish. No my dad or Eben aren't members yet but I'll see if I can change that. Eben you would never know since he would sign up and never post just read. To be honest it doesn't matter what the regs are because you still are going to get that group of people that will continue to either take short fish or keep over their limits until they get caught even that might not change their minds. I do agree with you on the shutting down cod fishing for like 3 years, It would do wonders for the population.