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Old 12-10-2006, 10:07 AM   #1
 
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Do somthing about Dogfish !!!!!!

I am listing the name and email for the Dogfish Coordinator that handles our area she is based out of Washington. Here is a copy of the letter that I sent to her, short and to the point. PLEASE TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND DO THE SAME. These letters do make a difference

Ruth Christiansen
Rchristiansen@asmfc.org

Hello Ruth
Last year I sent you a letter with my concerns over our abundance of dogfish in the gulf of Maine area.
I'm interested in the results of the study that was done by the Woodshole institute. As the problem has gotten increasingly worse. My last trip of the season we were seeing 15 dogfish for every 1 codfish or haddock and as you brought the fish close to the boat you could see dozens of dogfish following them up. This was also true for our tuna fishing. The dogfish would show up in packs and eat our live bluefish down to the bone.
I could tell you story after story but I think you get the point.
Something must be done. I would like to again invite you or a representative to speak at a meeting of the Stellwagen bank charter captains.

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Respectfully
Captain Curt Maxon


I have read alot of comments on this topic and would like to see as many letters sent.

Thank you in advance
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Old 12-10-2006, 11:50 AM   #2
 
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Capt. Curt!
Arm the photon torpedos, charge the phaser banks and destroy the evil dogfish before they consume everything in the ocean! Oh wait a minute, I've got you confused with Kirk....
But we are still left with the dogfish. I think the best answer is to get the regulators candy asses to tread water around us while we are fishing and tell us we have to protect the dogfish while their guts are being chewed on by the things. I don't believe all the letters in the world can help as I've written thousands of words to them and they ignore everything. I believe they have some entirely different agenda they are following that we (as humans) can't comprehend.
Our "fisheries management" has their heads so far up their collective asses that there is no way they can possibly see the light of day (or reality). "Rebuilding groundfish" AND "rebuilding dogfish" are two incompatible things (mutually exclusive of each other) that they tried to take on at once and they have thrown the entire ecology of the ocean out of whack in the process.
To fix things they must start with admitting that they made a "terrible mistake" and they never make such admissions. We need to start over with a MAJOR , UNREGULATED, DIRECTED FISHERY at DOGFISH until they become "commercially unviable", THEN and ONLY THEN can we rebuild groundfish in the GOM (Gulf of Maine) as it is estimated that dogfish are now consuming more than 80% of all juvinile groundfish in the GOM.
Another crime against us from our beloved regulators, as a result of their "shortsightedness" is that we can't fish for codfish, not even a few while draggers and gillnets can take 800 pounds a day! Where is the justified "conservation" in that regulation?

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Old 12-10-2006, 12:01 PM   #3
 
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PS-I forwarded the above to Ruth Christiansen with the following note.
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Dear Ruth,

Below is my response to Capt Curt Maxon's email on a request that we email you about our dogfish "situation". I don't think it will do any good as I've been ignored by different persons in our regulatory process for years. All I ever state is the obvious.......JC
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Old 12-10-2006, 12:15 PM   #4
 
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Jason

I agree with everything you stated. I don,t mean to open a can of worms. My intention is to put out this email address for people to have access to .You are 100% on the $$$ when you said this will have a large impact on all fishing for many years to come.
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Old 12-10-2006, 04:53 PM   #5
 
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Thanks for the address and info Curt.....I'll try to put something together as well and fire it off.
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Old 12-10-2006, 05:51 PM   #6
 
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Letter sent....

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Ms. Christiansen,

I am writing this email to you in the hopes that the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission will FINALLY do something about the growing problem of the supposedly endangered Spiny Dogfish problem here in the northeast. You cannot fish offshore (or even inshore) any longer without being overcome by Dogfish. Whether ground fishing, sharking, or tuna fishing, the Spiny Dogfish are constantly there, destroying the baits and outnumbering any other fish caught by 15-20 to 1. In a recent trip to Coxes Ledge in September, we caught, literally, 200 hundred Dogfish in about 6 hours, covering 20+ square miles. Every drop resulted in Dogfish, instantly. We caught a total of 3 keeper Cod and 1 short. The majority of these Dogfish were pregnant females, which surprised me. They were large (3.5-4') and definitely with young. We took a similar trip in November and again, caught unacceptable numbers of Dogfish, yet this time, none were pregnant, and mostly males. This was again on Coxes Ledge. The shear volumes of these predators in frightening. With one on the hook, there are often dozens coming up under them, biting at the hooked fish.

Something must be done, or all other efforts to protect and and rebuild the offshore ground fisheries will NEVER prevail. These fish eat everything that they can, including most of the juvenile species of ground fish (Cod, Haddock, Flounder, etc...)

Something that caused me further alarm this year was the fact that I was catching Spiny Dogfish just outside of The Race in NY waters. This was on the inside of Fisher's Island Sound. I have never, in 25+ years of fishing these areas caught Spiny Dogfish in numbers, except this year. This tells me that they are foraging deeper into areas they did not previously.

I ask you, to please get the commission to act, as these fish are simply destroying the fishery as a whole. You cannot have a Spiny Dogfish population of the current size and have any hope of the restoration of another species.

The charter and recreational fishermen of the Gulf Of Maine are in a worse condition, and the Dogfish has completely taken over the GOM and is the dominant predator in its' size class. Nothing else has a chance. The Dogfish will mean the end of all viable recreational and charter fishing in the GOM and southward.

There needs to be an immediate action started to revitalize the commercial harvesting of this species, to a point where they are at a manageable level. Come up north and go out with nearly any ground fishing charter and you will see what the story is. With such a demand for fish based food products, it is simply insane to let this resource continue to expand at its' current rate while continuing to allow the commercial interests to completely decimate the other fisheries (herring, mackeral, ground fish, etc...). Soon, there will be nothing left, and it will be on the regulatory agency's shoulders.

Sincerely,

Brad xxxxx

xxxxxx, CT
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Old 12-10-2006, 07:57 PM   #7
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allright, i might be showing my ignorance here, but that's fine, i'm willing to learn...while i acknowledge and have too experienced the dogfish problem, i have to ask...does the dogfish problem really have anything to do with dogfish? i mean, aren't they really just replacing other fish that have disappeared over the years? especially due to the overfishing of things like herring?

do you guys think that the dogfish are pushing other fish (such as cod) out? or do you think the lack of tradionally abundant native fish (such as cod) has just given the dogfish a place to expand into? (which is my impression)
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:04 PM   #8
 
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Here is my original letter from last year with Ruth Christiansens reply.This has the full address


Good morning, Capt. Maxon. My name is Ruth Christiansen and I am the Spiny Dogfish Plan Coordinator for ASMFC. I received your letter in the mail the other day. Thank you for your comments. Your concerns over dogfish population numbers are certainly not unique. Spiny dogfish are scheduled to undergo a benchmark stock assessment (primarily conducted by the Northeast Fisheries Science Center in Woodshole) early next year. It is hoped that the scientific conclusions of this assessment, combined with ther numerous personal accounts ASMFC has received, will help guide managment in its actions to better manage this species, especially from any ecosystem perspective. Your concern over forage bait issues is a very important one to the Commission as it moves towards adopting a more comprehensive ecosytem-based management approach. Please feel free to contact me with any more questions and concerns. Thank you.


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Ruth Christiansen
Fisheries Management Plan Coordinator
Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission
1444 Eye Street NW, 6th Floor
Washington D.C. 20005
Phone: 202-289-6400

RChristiansen@asmfc.org
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:36 PM   #9
 
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The above by Ruth Christiansen sounds exactally like the bearucratic hot air that all the "fishacrats" say while they do something entirely different.
As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be too surprised if "Dr. Ruth" personally oversees the live birth and wellbeing, even hand feeding of each and every dogfish that she happens to know by name!
Of course I don't mean all that but the result is the same, we are screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....JC
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:55 PM   #10
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what are you guys proposing we do about all the dogs?
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