Philly Doug

Second worst is a tie between L.B.J. and Kennedy. Jointly, their decisions led to the deaths of over Sixty Thousand Americans. In addition, Three Hundred Thousand Americans were wounded in Vietnam. Over Four Million Vietnamese (North/South combined) died. The worst part is L.B.J. didn't let our military fight to win. How can you send men to fight without giving them permission to invade the land where their enemies live? Don't even get me started on the Bay of Pigs....... It took a Republican to get us out of Vietnam by being tough with the North. Now that I'm thinking of it, who was in the middle of a sexual/perjury scandal at the time Bin Laden was running around training terrorists? He only had enough political clout and guts to send cruise missiles. Lets keep it real when we throw around the moniker of the worst President ever.

plugmeister

1) FDR failed to pack the court. He tried because, to use your style, our republican/fascist friends were killing all his programs to deal with the Great Depression.

2) FDR is on every list of great US presidents.

3) The budget was in surplus under Clinton. The huge deficit (largest ever) is due to Dumbya's tax cuts and giveaways to his rich friends and big corporations without cutting spending. BTW, the 2nd biggest deficit ever? Reagan. Last surplus before Clinton? JFK.

plugmeister

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Presidents by average scholar rank

# President Years in Office Political party Average ranking
1Abraham Lincoln1861–1865Republican1.582Franklin D. Roosevelt1933–1945Democrat23George Washington1789–1797refused to affiliate2.834Thomas Jefferson1801–1809Democratic-Republican4.425Theodore Roosevelt1901–1909Republican4.836Woodrow Wilson1913–1921Democrat6.587Harry S. Truman1945–1953Democrat7.188Andrew Jackson1829–1837Democrat99Dwight D. Eisenhower1953–1961Republican10.7310James K. Polk1845–1849Democrat11.0811John Adams1797–1801Federalist12.1712John F. Kennedy1961–1963Democrat12.513James Madison1809–1817Democratic-Republican12.6714Lyndon B. Johnson1963–1969Democrat13.615Ronald Reagan1981–1989Republican13.8816James Monroe1817–1825Democratic-Republican14.0817Grover Cleveland1885–1889 and 1893-1897Democrat1518William McKinley1897–1901Republican16.3319John Quincy Adams1825–1829National Republican/Whig16.920William Howard Taft1909–1913Republican19.6721William J. Clinton1993–2001Democrat20.6722George W. Bush2001–Republican2123Martin Van Buren1837–1841Democrat21.5824Rutherford B. Hayes1877–1881Republican2225George H. W. Bush1989–1993Republican22.1426Chester A. Arthur1881–1885Republican25.527 (tie)Jimmy Carter1977–1981Democrat26.327 (tie)Gerald Ford1974–1977Republican26.329Herbert Hoover1929–1933Republican26.1730Benjamin Harrison1889–1893Republican27.3331Calvin Coolidge1923–1929Republican28.4232Richard Nixon1969–1974Republican29.233James A. Garfield1881Republican29.5734Zachary Taylor1849–1850Whig29.5835John Tyler1841–1845Whig/none31.7536Millard Fillmore1850–1853Whig32.4137Ulysses Grant1869–1877Republican33.4238William Henry Harrison1841Whig33.5739Andrew Johnson1865–1869Democrat/none34.6740Franklin Pierce1853–1857Democrat34.9241James Buchanan1857–1861Democrat36.5842Warren G. Harding1921–1923Republican37.33

Notable scholar surveys

The 1948 poll was conducted by historian Arthur M. Schlesinger,

Philly Doug

World War II ended the great depression, not FDR's programs. I guess you can say that the members of the Supreme Court who were striking down his unconstitutional programs were "fascists", then again "fascists", like socialists, are for centralized government. Their stance (supported by 170 years of precedent and practice) was to LIMIT the federal government. This is the opposite of a fascist. The members of the court who were striking his programs were simply reading the constitution and applying its plain language. Kind of like the people who read ".....the right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed" are foolish enough to think (at least according to Kennedy, Feinstein and Billary) that this language means they have an individual right own a gun. Think how small our federal budget would be if the right to "regulate interstate commerce" hadn't been interpreted by our liberal friends to mean the right to regulate and tax absolutely everything. Then, when the government decided to lower its top marginal rate, people wouldn't say "rich friends" were being given gifts.

So I admitted Bush hasn't been good, what did you think of LBJ?

See you on the salt Plug, just cuz we disagree on this don't mean we can't enjoy a beer together this summer.

Doug

plugmeister

We can't argue these points. You don't know enough history or economics. But that's OK, you know how to fish.

Special K

funny as hell watching a liberal trying to defend their position, even when the chips are against them they ALWAYS say......yeah, but WE'RE SMARTER!

oh yeah, gore really won the election too! he was so smart he even invented the internet.........etc., etc., etc.,

btw, i have liberal friends too, they even let me treat them to fishing trips. always a fun day!

plugmeister

Funny as hell? You're so clueless it's---well why waste my time? I'm not a "liberal". (Oooohhh how that word scares you.) I'm an intellectual. You should try it, if you can. Got Carl Roves autograph yet? Rush's? CheneyBurton's? Hey, for $40 an hour I'll tutor you in economics and history.

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Possum

Yup, it is funny as hell...but not from the ass versus the elephant view, more over, just the banter. Great stuff.

Keep it going...

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AlloyToy

If that's the case, and you are so smart........then let's have the "Democratic" take on welfare????? It's good and work right? Even if you have individuals collecting in three different states under three different names?????

Keep taking from the small business guy, and those that actually work to pump that baby full of cash............

What did Ole Billy Bob do to our military budget? Want the truth.....ask the men & women serving during the Clinton administration.......... Not the "Text Book" What you read.....but the guys who live it every day........

While he was playing cigar games in the oval office, and disgracing our fore fathers the world was spiraling otta control......but he's a hero because "everything was good" yeah right.........any bridges for sale?

I respectfully disagree. The tax cuts in the last 8 years have allowed small businees to expand, hire, compete, and remain competitive. Being in manufacturing.......that's something I can teach you Plugmeister......I lived it through Clinton & Bush......it was real time not text book

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plugmeister

AAAWWWW! I read that the IRS estimates that the average small businessman declares only 40% of his income on his return. How 'bout you? And you're worried about a cigar? Your Republican hero Rudi and his wife have 6 marriages between them and who knows how many affairs. And how 'bout the Dumbster's glorious past? A drunken coke head who used his family name to avoid Vietnam and to get a cushy National Guard position he was too stoned to even show up for? And about his administration? Gigantic, record deficits and budgets that ought to send the economy soaring to record growth and what have we got---- China, Inc. and a recession. Warren Buffet offering a cool million to any of his super rich brethren who can prove they pay a higher % of their income in taxes than their secretaries do! No takers. Dumbya makes Harding, Coolidge and Hoover look like Washington, Lincoln and FDR. Oh, just announced, Dumbya's new budget is for 3 trillion dollars. In the late 1890's Congress was excoriated for being the first ever to spend a billion dollars. Here we are 110 years later spending 3,000 times that much. Greatest deficit spenders in history? Dumbya and Ronnie Raygun. Last 2 surplus budgets? JFK and Bill Clinton.