Scup

Very interesting subject and I have seen or heard nothing from the members of this form that has changed my opinion that the subject of global warming parallels religious beliefs. When a form member works with his children on a project, and truely believes there will not be too much in this world left for his heirs in the not too distant future if we do not take action now, there can never be a force that can push him away from his commendable goal. Even though I am on the side that Gore is a smooth con artist, there can still quite a bit of merit here for us no matter which side of the fence one sits on. I have walked the streets of Manila with the quality of air so bad that everyone was wearing masks over their nose and mouth. Some would just use a handkerchief while others would be wearing complex respiratory devices. The subject of global warming and air pollution, while separate subjects, are married together. I strongly support air pollution controls. The concern I have is the cost of hastily moving in a direction for which we believe is the correct one that can end up being costly and making matters worse than what they now are. After reading an article from the following website:
HotRod HotLine ~ HC12a VS R134a Systems ~ October 2004
one can get frighten if this writer is correct. We have gotten rid 12R and replaced it 134R but now 134R is starting to show its ugly nature and needs to be replaced. My old 12R refrigerator lasted 30 years and was still running when I got rid of it (I was sick of looking at it.) The new replacement one with 134R lasted six years and bit the dust. After calling the dealership where I purchased it he explained the service life of devices that use 134R is only about 1/3 that of 12R. The switchover to 134R was costly to us and there now seems to be some doubt that we may have erred and made things worse. What really happened to our ozone layer? Global warming advocates claim they fixed it, others claim it just completed its natural cycle. How about I throw an atomic bomb into the mix ask for opinions concerning the merits/nightmares for the use of ethanol gasoline in our boats.

gman

Ok I didnt say the not so distant future we will be in trouble and I also didnt form my belief on a school project, there are billions of dollars being invested to understand why the earth is heating up as we speak. Its a fact my friend, this isn't a witch chase.

But your right it is commendable to want to live a better life and protect your children and for that matter protect everyone else's children's children.

The fact is the world is changing and if every lazy ass person in the world waits for someone else to make a difference, it will never happen.To be honest, there is no credible way to change your viewpoint because it is yours, if seeing every major manufacturer change production tactics, to help the enviroment, building being changed, codes being re-written. Jesus the green movement is huge right now. People want to change the way we live

To think the people of the world can just use up the earths energy and just throw back all the residual and it not have side effects is foolish. Unfortunately a side effect of smoking, is lung disease but yet people still smoke. The only person who can stop people from doing something is themselves

John_Madison CT

Hey Brooksie (aka Plugmeister). At least you didn't call me a "Facist" like you did on that other website.

Why is it that the left has such a problem in anyone questioning their science. Could it be that it's easy to poke holes in their arguments? Hmmmmmmmmm???


Scup: You hit the nail on the head. Global Warming has become like a "religion". Saying it doesn't exist is like going to St. Patrick's Cathedral and screaming that there isn't a "God".

I beg everyone to at least do their own homework. Don't just swallow this as "hook, line and sinker". Question it, read, hear both sides. You SHOULD be very concerned when one side of the debate doesn't want you to hear the other side.

Assuming that it's true because you heard it on TV, or an ex-VP does a movie isn't good. Oh, remember when we were all taught that silicone Breast implants made millions of woman sick. Weren't we told that this was FACT ! Well, guess what, they're back on the market. Yep,........... back on the market.

Philly Doug

The best thing about our former-VP is the amount of fossil fuels his family burns through on a monthly basis for utilities in their mansion. Oh, did anyone hear what happened to his son after getting caught driving 100 miles an hour while drunk? I'm glad at least Teddy wasn't driving.

Scup

Gman,
I have been wrong too many times in the past and could be wrong again! Today, I think Al Gore is a con man, and that we are in the midst of a global warming cycle for which our disturbances have been minimal. Tomorrow, I just do not know what I will think as I am still trying to follow what is being thrown at us and the material is overwhelming from both sides. I did a Google search on the words "Global Warming" and got over 40 million hits. One thing I do know, should I ever see the average high tide on my cove go up by even a quarter of an inch and stay there for any substantial period of time, there is going to be one fast switchover on my part. I never thought for a minute you formed your opinion from a class project. However, I am envious of you as I never found the time to work with my own children in a class project.

markp860

Politics aside I dont think anyone can say that the enviroment is not changing. We seem to be in a "warm spell" a obvious indication is less snowfall, Stripers holding over in places they did not appear to at other times. Although yes it does get cold we have not had any fridgid air that seems to hold itself over us for weeks on end and as Gman stated glaciers are disappearing at alarming rates. These are just a few signs something is happening. No one can debate we are in a changing enviroment although the million dollar question is are we the cause of it? Whether we are or not does it make sense to just keep going on as we are releasing tons of CO2 gases into the atmosphere and to possibly create a doomsday scenario for our children down the road. I just dont think it is worth it to take the chance.

CaptBillB

Watch this.. it might change your minds:

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1118427818&vw=g&b=41&pos=2&p=global+warmi ng+swindle+video&fr=yfp-t-501

Read 'State of Fear' by Michael Crichton after you've viewed the above.
Let your rational side win out over emotions.
Somehow.. anything spearheaded by Al Gore leaves me skeptical.

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gman

I just want to be clear with my peers here at NBS, I am not stating that Al Gore is a good, moral or truthful man. This has nothing to do with Al Gore and has more to do with the earths current status. Im talking about rising sea levels, disappearing glaciers, and the fact that the last 10 years have been the hottest on record. Something is causing it. I am in the building industry and to say its going through a movement is an understatement. Here is my point

If his con, if you will, does nothing more than raise awareness about being more concerned about the way we live and use our only energy source than Im all for it. Its about becoming more efficient which saves us all money. Its horrible the way people treat the place we live. IF THIS WAS ABOUT the way the water/ocean was treated everyone here would be up in arms and signing petitions

Keep an open mind for both sides and take the politics out of it

gman

I hear you, its definately not easy but I try

CaptBillB

Here' what's indisputable:

The global warming issue has TWO parts. Everyone here seems to fall into the category of the common man who declares that it's either happening or that it's a total sham. If you believe it, you're an environmentalist whacko and if you don't you're a sane, rational capitalist. But unfortunately, according to the world's most foremost climatologists it's a two-part equation.

Part I - Is the Earth and it's atmosphere going through a warming trend? There is absolutely little debate among respected scientists. And I'm not talking about the ones that receive funding from Exxon, or the economics Professors or the scientists that receive millions in federal grants and have to say no.

Part II - Is mankind contributing to the warming trend? This is part two and the most important issue in regards to the 'Global Warming' hypothesis. There is considerable debate among ALL scientists and there is evidence on both sides of this part of the question, and more are leaning towards that it's a natural phenomenom. This is where the Gore camp is potentially wrong. If it turns out that the warming trend is a natural cycle like what we have seen in the past, then there is little we can do to stop it.. regardless of the 'carbon footprints' that we all leave.

Either way, the climate is changing. It's only on whether we as people are causing it. And the jury is still out on that half. What needs to be dones is to look at the 'real science' in an objective manner.

Hoever, if concern and personal belief runs that high towards this issue.. then it's time for those who ascribe to the GW philosophy on this forum to pledge to not board a boat powered by fossil fuels from this point onward.


Another certainty- Al Gore is an ******* regardless of his stance on Global Warming. Understand.. this has nothing to do with politics. It's just that his hypocritical preaching about his deep concern for this issue is belied by the fact that he flies around in a private Gulfstream (saw him deplaning at BDL one morning) while assuring all that he buys 'carbon offsets' to explain it away. that says it all- "I'm just too important to live by the creed that I preach." He's very much like the Ingrid Newkirk- PETA- who's insulin dependant and says it's ok for her to use animal derived products (which she would deprive others of) to keep herself alive since her message is just too important to die with her.

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