SNESA - Pogy Bill Proposed for Narr. Bay - Page 5

CaptDom · 04-03-2007, 08:09 PM

JR,

Please bear with me while I scan the entire document, along with the real data s summation, by a very knowledgeable, well respected scientist from the DEM.....

I thought you were paying closer attaention to the fact that this entire push was all along a fish grab.........If nothing else from my posts you should realize that your last comment is unwarranted and way off the mark. It has never been about free pogies for me, as I buy way more from my local bait and tackle store than I get from the boat on the water......Besides, I can just cast net them for myself if they were to shut the pogie boat down, which logically I would choose if I had alterior motives like the RISAA camp does.

After reading the entire document, then respond again, if you feel like it.....

JayR · 04-03-2007, 08:38 PM

ROFLMAO at the moment...

I dealt with DEM and I can tell you I am not impressed with them nor would I pay any credence to anything they produce, surmise or suggest. This is RI and it's who you know that matters.

I'll show this once again....

I think past experiences will show that I am not far off the mark. Money and business always wins out over average Joe Taxpayer.

I know one head scientist at DEM and I can tell you he is over paid, under worked and thinks he would be a millionaire several times over if not for his sacrificial employment with DEM. He's doing us all a favor serving the govt when so many more opportunities are available in the private sector.

I'll go put my boots on while you are scanning that doc. I can use a good laugh....

No hard feelings Dom, I'm just in a mood for a good debate... even if mine is based on conjecture and speculation.

Again, I say we err on the side of caution..... Prove to me the menhaden harvest in the bay IS NOT adversely effecting the bay and the fish that prey upon them for survival.

JayR · 04-03-2007, 08:45 PM

Just a thought and a question...

In my youth, menhaden were in the bay all summer long and so too were the stripers.

When the menhaden fishery pulls out each year, there are few menhaden left behind and stripers are almost impossible to find.

Is there another reason at play here I am missing? Menhaden in the bay = stripers in the bay. No menhaden no stripers..... Again, no science to back it up, just observation. My observations have served me well so far.

CaptDom · 04-03-2007, 09:14 PM

Here is the full text, with the scientific data sources cited:

CaptDom · 04-03-2007, 09:16 PM

Part 2 of same DEM document pages 5-8

CaptDom · 04-03-2007, 09:17 PM

Here is the final pages 9-11

CaptDom · 04-03-2007, 09:21 PM

I just think you should wait till you've read something before commenting......

The scientific data cited in this document comes from outside sources, not the DEM....The deputy chief Mark Gibson is a well respected scientist in the marine community, and I have seen his actions in the past, he is level headed and well educated, not to mention very fair to all sides of most marine fisheries issues....non partisan, unbiased views IMHO....

Again, once you have read the full text, lets talk.....

Although I am shocked that you would not at least see the constitutional issues that are violated in many ways by the current bills propsed in the RI congress, namely the freedom to fish act, but also RIGL title 20, which encompasses all wildlife in RI......

JayR · 04-03-2007, 09:37 PM

Dom, I can't read them even with my super vision. Too small. Can ya email them to me please.

I know of Mark... his wife is also on the DEM staff (Lori) I've dealt with her in the past as I was pushing to make crossbows legal for the disabled.
Guess I have been tainted by the Jan Reitsma days.... You do remember him huh?

I promise to look it all over closely before making any more heartfelt comments.

As for the constitutional issues.... what say you about the moratorium on licenses? Why cannot I have a license to sell commercially? I am a citizen of this state and country, the seas and their contents are property to us all. Why can't we all have a piece of the pie?

CaptDom · 04-03-2007, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B? Tackle

Just a thought and a question...

In my youth, menhaden were in the bay all summer long and so too were the stripers.

When the menhaden fishery pulls out each year, there are few menhaden left behind and stripers are almost impossible to find.

Is there another reason at play here I am missing? Menhaden in the bay = stripers in the bay. No menhaden no stripers..... Again, no science to back it up, just observation. My observations have served me well so far.

I don't know where you are fishing, but I have no trouble locating stripers all summer long, especially in July out front, when the pogies make their mass exodus from the bay....sure, some years the pogies get trapped in smaller pods in the upper bay and river areas, just as they did in 2006(There were several 50 plus and 60 pound fish taken well up inside the bay, with a fresh, hand caught, pogie in late Aug.) the longest ARK has ever stayed in the bay!!!..... Ark leaves not because regulations force them to, but because the pogies exit the bay every year in great numbers on their own, as part of their inherent biological makeup.....The schools of pogies do not mix, and if you have been observing the bay closely, you will know that the peanut bunker show in August in great numbers, and stay till October some years.....the stripers eat far more juvenile and fry Menhaden than adults by a great margin when up this far in the migration......

JayR · 04-03-2007, 09:44 PM

BTW... I've read RIGL in their entirety. I mean EVERY word of it. Most of it several times.

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